Ángel Martín: "I have nothing against psychologists, there are also bad comedians"

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If it is true that the purposes are better fulfilled by scheduling,

(Barcelona, ​​October 5, 1977) already has his homework done.

From January 27 at Teatre Apolo Barcelona until December 27 at the WiZink Center in Madrid, the comedian will present

And most of the tickets are already sold out.

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He strictly follows the motto "to do things", which he recites every day in his successful

, with thousands of reproductions.

His book,

(Planet of books), has spent a year remaining on the best-seller lists and its narrated version is, in fact, the most listened to in 2022 in the top 10 of Audible.

She also makes it big with his self-titled podcast, where she discusses mental health with celebrities and total strangers.

A comedian talking about mental health.

Was it difficult for you to change roles?

Have you felt the impostor syndrome that Dani Martín was talking about? Yes and no.

It is one thing to have impostor syndrome and another to feel that what you do is overrated.

I don't have the feeling that he is deceiving anyone.

But yes of the "it's not a big deal".

That's because we are educated not to value ourselves or tap ourselves on the shoulder.

What happens to Dani is that he is exhausted after a brutal tour.

And there are people who are insecure.

I don't have the feeling of a big change either because I'm still in comedy.

What has suddenly happened is that I have a corner where I tell what I have experienced.

And if it can help someone, that's great.

I'm not reconfiguring my career and I don't want to be the serious guy who talks about mental health. All this outreach work from his own problems,

Do you help people or yourself more? I don't know if help is the word.

Right now, I don't have the feeling of being on a tightrope or in a crisis.

It helps me to decipher some common points in many people and in many different topics.

Common sense leads me to think that it must be of some use because, otherwise, neither the book nor the podcast would have had such an impact. Why do you think people open up to you? There is a different language between people who It's been through a series of episodes and people haven't.

The consequence, whether depression, loneliness, or disorientation, is a common pattern.

They can talk to me face to face, knowing that we are both going to do a translation exercise.

Those who have not been there may understand it and those who have been will know that they are not alone.

You are in no hurry to talk to someone who has gone through the same thing as you. Is there still a taboo regarding mental health? I don't have that feeling from where I am.

With me it is very easy to play all the songs.

It's a curious feeling that if people know you've been there, they're going to share it with you. Perhaps they think you're not going to judge them? There's no judgment.

It is impossible.

I'm not going to look at anyone else because they tell me they have an eating disorder.

At best I'll think you've got some pretty big moves that got you there.

End of story.

Of all those common points, what is it that most attracts your attention? How quickly young kids are with the feeling of giving up already.

And I don't say that as a criticism, in the sense that they are softer.

Adult generations will not be doing something right when the feeling of 'I can't take it anymore' comes so soon today.

We are not sowing well.

When I was younger, suicide and the feeling of being lost were not on the table. The world is moving faster today.

How much do you blame technology in that way of going crazy through life? There has been a very wild technological revolution and we have not learned to manage it intelligently.

Technology used well is fascinating.

But instead of using it to have more time for ourselves, we have decided to turn it into a punishment.

The fact that before you had to send a letter, wait for it to arrive and for someone else to answer it, taking their time to write it, took 15 days.

Today the

it comes so soon nowadays.

We are not sowing well.

When I was younger, suicide and the feeling of being lost were not on the table. The world is moving faster today.

How much do you blame technology in that way of going crazy through life? There has been a very wild technological revolution and we have not learned to manage it intelligently.

Technology used well is fascinating.

But instead of using it to have more time for ourselves, we have decided to turn it into a punishment.

The fact that before you had to send a letter, wait for it to arrive and for someone else to answer it, taking their time to write it, took 15 days.

Today the

it comes so soon nowadays.

We are not sowing well.

When I was younger, suicide and the feeling of being lost were not on the table. The world is moving faster today.

How much do you blame technology in that way of going crazy through life? There has been a very wild technological revolution and we have not learned to manage it intelligently.

Technology used well is fascinating.

But instead of using it to have more time for ourselves, we have decided to turn it into a punishment.

The fact that before you had to send a letter, wait for it to arrive and for someone else to answer it, taking their time to write it, took 15 days.

Today the

How much do you blame technology in that way of going crazy through life? There has been a very wild technological revolution and we have not learned to manage it intelligently.

Technology used well is fascinating.

But instead of using it to have more time for ourselves, we have decided to turn it into a punishment.

The fact that before you had to send a letter, wait for it to arrive and for someone else to answer it, taking their time to write it, took 15 days.

Today the

How much do you blame technology in that way of going crazy through life? There has been a very wild technological revolution and we have not learned to manage it intelligently.

Technology used well is fascinating.

But instead of using it to have more time for ourselves, we have decided to turn it into a punishment.

The fact that before you had to send a letter, wait for it to arrive and for someone else to answer it, taking their time to write it, took 15 days.

Today the

Waiting for it to arrive and for someone else to answer it, taking their time to write it, took 15 days.

Today the

Waiting for it to arrive and for someone else to answer it, taking their time to write it, took 15 days.

Today the

and WhatsApp are instant.

You should have those 12 days already free.

However, we put more and more things.

We don't even know how to have a coffee with the person in front of us because we want to be everywhere all the time and we want to have a lot of information that is useless to you.

We are getting lost.

Your generation, then, was more fortunate? We were able to have two things that the current ones do not have: patience and missing.

I belong to a world where to find out what's new in the latest video games you had to wait for the next magazine to be published.

I did not feel anxiety until then and, when it came to me, I read it very calmly.

I don't care if they don't respond to a WhatsApp, but there are people who are aware of whether they have seen it and have not responded and why.

Maybe that person doesn't feel like it or doesn't have a battery.

Before,

to talk to someone you looked for a booth and, if they didn't take it, then it was very nice to meet again and catch up.

Now, what are you going to tell yourself, if you already see it on the networks. Is anxiety the buzzword? It is the only word that fits with anything you can feel when you feel bad.

Maybe it's not anxiety, but that you don't love your partner or that you don't know how to say no.

People who feel bad, many of them young, as you said, are blamed for living better today than ever before.

Rafael Santandreu said in this newspaper that "you cause depression with your thoughts."

Do you agree with this type of speech? I think I understand what you are trying to say but you have used the wrong words.

You can get out of that state in which you find yourself with a lot of effort, but do not believe it on your own.

There are wrong decisions that you make that hurt you and are negative.

It is likely that if you stop doing them you will feel better.

But anxiety is not invented by you.

They are delicate speeches.

Decisions without thinking take us to places we don't want to be.

There will probably come a point where you are unable to detect what those decisions are and end up speaking in global terms.

"I'm not happy".

There are people who seem to have it all and yet feel bad.

A job, a partner, a house... Why do you think that happens? Yeah, yeah.

A job but is it the one you want?

Maybe you are a civil servant and it turns out that you need more change and do not want a permanent position.

It is essential to start thinking about what you want regardless of what they have made you believe you want.

On your podcast, successful people are very vulnerable.

That is what we believe from the outside, that success is what that person wanted.

And it is a mistake.

You only see the window, like the jacket on the mannequin that actually has some pins behind it that fit it.

Everyone has the same stories.

Being popular doesn't create a bubble for you outside of the problems that everyone else has.

There are only more people who know your name.

Does the testimony of a popular person facing mental health problems attract more attention than that of an anonymous person?

Do people identify more with someone they know? The interesting thing about popular people is that, despite facing bullshit, they come out of it.

The key is that they are an example that can be traced.

But not because you are popular you have more tools.

It is exactly the same.

He's not a psychologist, but he gives a lot of psychologists' tools. [Laughs].

Well, I'll set up a query.

My experience with the psychologist was a disaster, I have told it many times.

And many come to signatures to tell me: 'Hey, some of us are good.'

I have nothing against psychologists, there are also bad comedians.

And I don't apologize for them.

The only key is knowing how to listen.

Psychologists will have infinitely more tools than I do to speed up this process of trying to undo knots in people's heads.

There are people who can't find the words and if they speak to you clearly and you listen well, you rearrange and name what they feel.

And that has a lot to do with comedy.

So no, there is no plan B as a psychologist. As a comedian, do you feel we have the thinnest skin when it comes to pulling a joke? No.

When people talk about the controversy that has been mounted, it only exists on Twitter.

I am fascinated by the media giving prominence to noise.

There wouldn't be so much of a commotion if you put those who laughed at the joke on one side of the scale and those who were offended on the other.

Power is given to those who are offended.

You can screw up, but it is not usual if the comedian is professional.

You may or may not like him.

That is secondary.

There are also short people who confuse comedy with being rude.

And people who don't even listen.

I'm not going to apologize because they misunderstand me. Has it happened to her? A girl once wrote to me because in a morning I said something random like fix your nails.

She insulted me and she told me that if she believed me she was going to get a manicure and spend 20 euros to please an asshole like me.

I thought about the level of anger he would have to have to think that I have said something about his nails and come to insult me.

It's dangerous to focus on anyone who gets upset because we're getting to a point where we're going to turn off common sense.

There are codes that we all understand.

I know what I'm doing and the intention, and if I slip, I'll be the first to give it a thought. However, the eyes of the 21st century are not the same as in other times.

Now we put our hands to our heads with a song or movie.

Does that affect jokes? We are not a guild that we have rules to respect.

Comedy is individual and what is funny to you, maybe not to me.

If we say that from now on comedy has to be like this only and exclusively, the common sense of the universe would be unified and that is impossible, because it changes by country,

by culture and even depending on the platform.

There are aunts in comedy who have different speeches in theater than in networks.

Sometimes I have the feeling that in private everything falters a bit.

There should not be a common line in humor.

If you don't like it, don't watch it.

There are many options so that what you are not interested in does not reach you. When did you realize that it was not right?

Was there a turning point? It's subtle and elegant.

When you realize that you live in the world of Alice in Wonderland, maybe. And why did you make it public? There was a publisher proposing to write a book on how to rock it on social media.

I was not interested in anything.

But I did remember when I tried to find a book by someone who had had a psychotic break and couldn't find it.

I had no clue how something like this was traced back.

So I decided to write that book in case it was useful to someone. What is your therapy? Many times they tell you: "Write, it helps", and you don't know how or why.

It helps me to order what happens in my head.

Talking and listening is also important.

I no longer fill silences.

Meditating calms me down.

Mobile detox in the first two hours of the morning and much of the day I have it in silence.

It's super toxic to wake up like this.

I don't want to worry about the earthquake in the Bahamas as soon as I open my eyes, I'm in my hot shower.

I also try to respect food.

I eat smarter.

I try to put less sugar in my body and eat dinner two hours before going to bed.

And I dedicate the last hours of the night to reading. Even if you don't like it, what sport do you do? Boxing, self-defense and training.

Should I go to therapy before something bad happens? No.

If you notice something, it's smart to ask for help.

But if you're sure you're okay, you don't have to.

There is beginning to be a speech of 'you have to go to the psychologist'.

Maybe because of my bad experience, I wouldn't send someone to therapy.

I just think it's a smart tool when you need it. Should suicide be talked about more in the media? It's absurd that it's not reported because of a theory of supposed contagion.

The technique of not talking about it has been tried for many years and it has not worked, because there are still suicides and they are increasing.

Perhaps speaking openly provides very useful information for people who are thinking of committing suicide.

He has goals for the entire year 2023. There will be those who will tell him that they do not know where they will be tomorrow.

However, I think he is smart.

Very useful to design a route of your life.

I always have short, medium and long term goals.

None are abstract, like being happier, fitter, or laughing more.

What's that?

So you won't know where you're going.

The good thing about fully designing 2023 is that you already have your head in 2024. But it took me over 40 years to figure it out.

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