Susanna Griso: "The day I lose my mobile, a big mess is going to be made"

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encourages me

before showing me one seven or eight centimeters on the knee and two others, almost parallel and of similar size, on the forearm. "As a child I

and I drag quite a few war wounds .

I got the one on her arm when I jumped out of a moving car emulating

and the other when I stuck a needle in my kneecap while spying on my parents to make a report.

She was the youngest of seven children and she needed to stage my movies for me."

In a way,

one of the most influential women in Spain, is still riding them.

Now, yes, for more serious reasons than an overflowing imagination.

Her agenda,

and famous, is littered with code names.

"The day I lose my mobile, a big mess is going to arise. Almost all the

and politicians, businessmen, artists, soccer players...

I have

in a code, but sometimes they are so complicated that later they write to me and I don't know who it is", he laughs.

He recently read live a whatsapp of the King Emeritus.

The matter is quite strong. The truth is that I messed it up a bit because of the

The King writes to me many times, but normally I don't tell.

What I usually do is say "sources close to

but this message

because I was watching us talk about him and wanted to clarify, and I blurted out that it was his without thinking. program. I would resist, do not believe it, but that is an interview that I would love to do.

Isn't it dizzying to say that you regularly message the King? When you've been presenting a program like mine for 15 years, through which the most powerful in the country have passed,

There are journalists who prefer not to have any relationship with power, because they consider that it makes it easier for them to maintain an objective position, but I don't see it that way.

The context gives me a lot for the type of program I do,

I need to know what's going on in the games and in the heights.

with King Juan Carlos or with the CEOs of large companies, because that complements my work and

Who has resisted him the most? Until a few weeks ago I would have said

because it has taken him four years to grant me an interview.

When he was leader of the opposition or preparing for the PSOE primaries, he did give me a crowd.

Once done, in Spain I would not tell you any, because I have interviewed the entire political class and almost the entire business class.

that Évole has achieved it and I have not.

I'm on it. As a result of his interview with Sánchez, he received criticism from both sides.

She tries to stay centered, but what do they call her more, red or facha? Red and facha alike [laughs].

I couldn't tell you how or why, but

I have read them rather, because face to face people are more polite and that

I take it as a good sign: if both extremes criticize me, it's that I'm doing something right.

It's an exercise I've learned over the years, refrain from social media and toughen up.

and the most serious criticisms are already made by myself.

I don't care what they say about me.

Is there going back in this political tension or have we already crossed the Rubicon? I think there is a new leaf, what happens is that

At a time of so much uncertainty, with a war after a pandemic and skyrocketing inflation,

are politicians who do not get involved in absurd discussions and agree.

I do not understand that, due to the desire to remain in power, Pedro Sánchez does not make

which is now willing.

That would give Sánchez a wavelength that he is missing.

that agreeing with the general good in mind is something that a good part of Spaniards would buy, because we are a much more focused society than the political situation shows. Do you feel partly responsible for this tension?

How much has journalism contributed to it? Surely we have not helped and we have all polarized the tone.

We embraced the new policy thinking that the old one should be regenerated, but later, personalized in Ciudadanos and Podemos,

and errors.

With the departure of

the ephebocracy is dead and we have retired a whole generation with a very good image, which looked very good on the screen, but when it came to management I did not know. As a representative of the Barcelona-Madrid airlift, is it a broken bridge? It is not broken , but it is damaged and it will take time to recover.

We are now at a point of impasse in which many Catalan separatists have realized that their plan was leading nowhere.

and I know they did, that this was going to be painless and without serious consequences for the relationship between Catalonia and Spain.

It was what was sold to them and what they bought.

and closing wounds will be a process of years. You assure that you don't care what they say about you, don't you search in Google? No.

Never. Almost better, because among the suggested searches about you appear 'dress, partner, lips...' [Laughs] Do you see how you live very well without googling or diving into the nets?

It is very important to abstract yourself from all this noise, because it cannot be that it conditions you.

With that thing about the lips and the operations... I haven't done anything, but when I come back after every summer it starts to come out

When?

I have the feeling that people think that everything is the source of the scalpel even though I've been watching myself gain weight for 25 years, lose weight, go through pregnancies...

with women on television.

She is very present but, well, it goes on the salary.

I neither complain nor do I lose sleep.

It must be one of the few things

(Barcelona, ​​1969) awake at night, who suffers from recurrent insomnia.

For 15 years, the ones he's been with Public Mirror, he starts at 4:30 and doesn't sit down until nine at night.

"Many times I remember the song 'I forgot to live' and I apply it to myself, but I've been learning. When you get up so early,

I do it all the time. Program, work lunches, pilates or gym, meetings, and I don't stop until dinner, but there are things that are sacred to me:

read and play sports, which helps me sleep", he reviews.

He talks a lot about sleeping, but he can't. No, and it's a subject that obsesses me.

Getting up very early is terrible for sleep.

we always end up talking about this: how do you organize yourself, what do you drink... Also, since you end up taking your obsessions with you to work, when I interviewed the four candidates in 2016 I asked everyone how they slept.

The worst thing was that

How can I be so stupid, that I am unable to sleep and this man, who presides over a country on the verge of rescue, sleeps like a dormouse!

[laughs]. He has been doing the same program for 15 years, which on TV are several lives.

Aren't you bored? The virtue of 'Espejo Público' is that it is always evolving and that, as it is so linked to dizzying current affairs, it never gives me the feeling of repeating myself.

It's so long, four and a half hours, that it

but I already have my muscles trained and I don't get tired. Clicks, you guys in the press are starting to know what it's like to work with that Sword of Damocles and I'm glad you're getting out into the real world and realizing what a burden it is [laughs].

but you learn to live with it.

I know that our audiences depend largely on something foreign to our work, such as the pure news.

We are always the benchmark and leader program when something extraordinary happens, from a volcano on La Palma to the war in Ukraine, and

I relativize the rest. His nemesis is Ana Rosa Quintana.

How do they really get along? They wanted to sell a war between us that is very morbid and, in reality, does not exist.

Professionally, our programs are very different.

Personally,

of the confrontation and a lot has been played with it.

We have been compared on many occasions, despite the fact that our careers have nothing to do with it, because I have spent my entire career in news.

and we have always found it very funny. Are you kidding about it? Yes.

Now we see each other less, but there was a time when we both got together to eat and, sometimes, also

The morning queens... It was very funny.

Ana Rosa and I have always handled

although that does not mean that at one point we have had fights.

Especially with the wars of the earpieces to put the same protagonist before, but they are direct things and they seem much more angry than they really are.

When, day after day, she puts so many alpha males in their place, from Felipe González to José María Aznar, is it a symbol of women's empowerment? I think so and that facet has never been taken into account.

I have complained many times, although now it happens less, about making a program where there were only men.

They told me that I already compensated, but no.

The weight of my journalistic career has been diluting it, but

There are still times when you thoroughly prepare for an interview and what remains is how well the suit suits you.

This happens especially on television,

to the press or radio despite the fact that it is the medium that, according to the CIS, the majority of people use to get information.

I know that 'Espejo Público' is the program with the most repercussions and the most incidence in centers of power.

With that I stay. Do you feel one of the most powerful women in Spain? I find it hard to talk about myself in those terms, but the reality is that

who go from Zarzuela to Congress, going through the offices of large companies, saying that they have seen me.

There will be something of that.Is she a feminist?Yes, of course I am a feminist, what I do not understand is that someone is not.

That, in a world where machismo is prevailing and there are still so many inequalities, does not fit in my head, but I still have to do a lot of pedagogical work and explain too many times that it is not the antonym of machismo.

I have always been surrounded by them.

Feminism is not against men.

What happens is that now it is an entity that is difficult to define, with such different sensitivities... We have seen it with the debate on sick leave as a painful rule. What is your position? That it stigmatizes us.

It makes me angry that I am treated differently from men in any facet, because I have fought hard to get here and

I also think that a businessman with an SME would think twice about hiring a woman knowing that he can take that sick leave every month.

I don't know what he contributes, because now women who have painful menstruation are being discharged, which is 5%.

I haven't seen myself in this situation, but if that drop is already granted, what is the use of something that is not a conquest and, moreover,

Having crossed the psychological barrier of turning 50, do you look more backwards or forwards? Turning 50 hasn't conditioned me at all, it's been the best years of my life.

now I am reaping the fruits of what I planted.

I am absolutely privileged to be on the front line, raising the information blind every morning.

do more reports off the set, perhaps return to the radio and, after so many years showing my face, I am attracted to trying to be behind the cameras.

But there will be time, I still have a phone to get.

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