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After some time, Maybrit Illner brought Tino Chrupalla, a high-ranking AfD representative, to the talk show stage and collected some memorable quotes - a sad climax: “I don't see that Björn Höcke is not on the basis of the liberal-democratic basic order. "
Why the debate about the current split in the AfD this Thursday evening had to be linked to the discussion about Corona remained the secret of the broadcast planners until the end.
Left-wing politician Sahra Wagenknecht wanted to mess with the rulers instead of the AfD and found her opponent in the North Rhine-Westphalian Interior Minister Herbert Reul (CDU).
But he, in turn, found Wagenknecht's allegations that lobby networks in Germany would decide on Corona aid, completely absurd.
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Much more illuminating, on the other hand, were the analyzes by journalist Georg Mascolo, who knew how to assess both the Corona policy and the situation of the AfD in a well-founded and balanced manner, as well as a switching talk with election researcher Matthias Jung.
In view of the continued high level of approval for the Corona measures, the AfD will find it difficult to mobilize precisely this issue, Jung predicted.
Chrupalla and the question of dictatorship
Illner asked Chrupalla several times whether the AfD was a split party, whose answer remained no.
Now it is the case that some of his party friends like to use the term "Corona dictatorship" or compare current Bundestag resolutions with the Enabling Act of 1933.
Even Chrupalla, who pretends to be the representative of all party currents, could not go along and thus himself became a witness of the split he had previously denied.
“We don't live in a dictatorship,” he said, but he at least sees professional bans and the questioning of the inviolability of the home.
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In addition, he does not want to have his Christmas party prescribed by the Chancellor.
However, he preferred to leave the clear condemnation of such “infamous and dangerous” (Mascolo) dictatorship comparisons to the other guests in the group.
The AfD and the question of the wing
There is a genuine struggle in the AfD over the question of how much right-wing extremism it should and should be, said Mascolo, and saw an important reason for this in the upcoming decision by the Office for the Protection of the Constitution.
Because in the coming spring, the authority could make the entire AfD party a test case or even an observation case.
The same authority that has already classified the so-called wing in the AfD as a right-wing extremist organization, which was then dissolved.
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That may be so, said Reul, but members of the wing are still there.
"If the AfD is serious about it, then it ought to pull all the people who belong to the wing out of circulation," said Reul, and that is 7,000. Chrupalla replied: "There are no 7,000 right-wing extremists in our party, sir Reul, you know that very well. "
Wagenknecht and the question of the dissatisfied
On the other side of the political spectrum, Sahra Wagenknecht formulated the following analysis: "We don't have a Corona dictatorship, but we also don't have a functioning democracy."
With her criticism, she focused on the federal government's corona aid and confronted Reul with the accusation that economic interest groups are more important here than the simple citizens who are plagued by livelihood problems.
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Reul found this absurd, after all, numerous jobs were attached to large companies.
"People are fighting for their lives and you are now making their famous entrepreneur scolding out of it," he wedged back.
Mascolo and the question of reason
As a rule, it was Georg Mascolo who did the group good with his balanced answers and provided the greatest clarity.
“I think the most important sentence at this time for every politician, and by the way also for our profession, is the sentence: I don't know exactly either,” said the journalist.
One must first come through this extraordinary and difficult time with reason.
"Then there will be a very long phase in which we will talk very intensely about what was right, what was wrong, what was appropriate, what was inappropriate."