El Hormiguero: Pablo Iglesias and the coup de grace of Pablo Motos

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It was El Hormiguero's last interview with politicians before 10-N, but it was not going to be the easiest or the easiest. It began smoothly, with the thanks of Pablo Motos to Pablo Iglesias for having left the poster sticking to attend the program, but at least expected, when we were all clueless with the attacks of Pablo Iglesias to Pedro Sánchez , when we thought that Pablo Motos did not he was going to play more, came the surprise, Pablo Motos came harder, came the coup de grace, came what a good part of the audience has described as "baseness . "

It seemed that the one who came with the well-loaded guns was Pablo Iglesias and not Pablo Motos , who, as he repeated last night, the "tension" generated after the interview with Santiago Abascal has led him to convert the interviews to politicians in a corseted format 49 minutes of interview , and ball point. "Abascal put a strain, which I decided to do to everyone 49 minutes of interview and seven with the ants so that they don't criticize me more, but I don't get it," the presenter confessed. Pablo Motos has finished until the chasm of politicians.

And in fact that boredom has been perceived in each interview. Indeed, with Pablo Abascal, Pablo Motos came out harder, with Íñigo Errejón, a little less, with Pablo Casado, even less, with Albert Rivera, not even by now, and Pablo Iglesias remained. The logical thing would have been that the 49 minutes would pass without getting into any puddle and the chest, but the containment was phagocyted by the loss of papers , both, but one more than another.

The revenge of Pablo Iglesias

They broke the ice and the one who started taking out all the weapons was Pablo Iglesias . It was clear from the beginning that the leader of United Podemos had a clear objective: Pedro Sánchez. First question: "You who are the ones who have blocked us are the same ones who say you are going to fix it." The answer was a declaration of intent: "The key is that people do not vote the same. People no longer vote only for the PP and the PSOE (...) What I think is that in this country there are sectors that are willing to repeat elections in order not to govern with United We Can ". And that person is called Pedro Sánchez.

Although he acknowledged that he maintains a "cordial relationship" with the president of the acting Government, the reality is very different. While Pablo Iglesias pointed to Sánchez as the main culprit of the blockade that Spain is living and Pablo Motos took advantage of it to launch the occasional blow to the chief of the Executive for not having wanted to go to El Hormiguero , the program showed Iglesias the last visit of Sánchez in which the leader of the PSOE said he would not leave the keys of his house to Pablo Iglesias . E Iglesias asked for revenge, asked for revenge, and Pablo Motos did not give it to him, because of Abascal's tension.

" It has cloth because who gave them the keys of La Moncloa were us . I want to give it back and they have told me that if we finish quickly you do the same to me," Iglesias said, but Motos was not there for the work. In return, he let him explain himself, defend himself, throw all the balls he wanted to throw out, attack, that, in short, did whatever he wanted. This was the first half of the interview.

Pablo Iglesias continued with his revenge. It is curious that for not having gone Sanchez to El Hormiguero has occupied almost more space than those who have gone. It is what you have when the vendetta monopolizes everything:

- "Look, before Sanchez came here and now to interview him he would have to go to La Moncloa . If I am president I would continue to come here."

- "I think Pedro's intention is to agree with the PP ".

- "If we are strong I doubt that the PSOE will leave with Married and disappoint many voters ."

- "There are some who prefer to repeat choices that govern with us and for that they lie, manipulate ...".

- "When he said he couldn't sleep, he recognized that he didn't love us in any way ."

- "I think some of his gurus told him that if we went to elections we would be harmed and he who loses votes is the same ."

- "What can not be is that you make a campaign taking journalists to your office . The logical thing is to legislate and make the mandatory debates."

Sánchez, Sánchez, Sánchez and then more Sánchez . It was more than evident that what Pablo Iglesias was looking for is that it would be clear to the public that if there has been no progressive government, it has not been for United We can, but because Sanchez sought all possible mechanisms to avoid having to reach a government agreement with The purple formation. The politicians are so expert in turning the tortilla that when Pablo Motos asked him why they did not accept the last offer made by the PSOE to achieve that agreement, Pablo Iglesias made it appear that Sanchez had given them crumbs and that they did not want crumbs, they wanted a good piece of cake. As if ruling Spain were to play a timba .

"Be careful what they offered us! We represented 33% and they gave us 5%. They offered us armchairs without competition (...) Vice Presidency is an armchair, we wanted competitions. We want a little power to change things", Iglesias argued that what happened in those days of frantic negotiations was all "a bluff" of Sanchez. "It is obvious that this was not true," he said.

However, Iglesias does not close the door so that after 10-N an agreement can be reached. The closing of doors and throwing the key into the river does not go well, that they tell Rivera, so Iglesias still insisting that he is convinced that Pedro Sánchez is going to seek the agreement with the PP, he also hopes that he will not go well and "then you will have no choice but to agree with us ."

... And with Íñigo Errejón, let us not forget Errejón. How it was noted that Pablo Iglesias does not see Errejón as a rival or does not want to see him! While the leader of More Country in his visit to El Hormiguero attacked hard on what had been his leader and friend, Iglesias preferred not to enter into that controversy. He acknowledged that things had been done wrong and assured that there are times that things work better apart than under the same roof.

"Torra has two newscasts"

As with Rivera or Casado, Motos let Iglesias continue his speech . As he did with the others, he asked about Catalonia , about Franco's exhumation and practically did not interrupt him solely to insist on the situation in Catalonia. A situation that Pablo Motos is up close for all the Catalans who work in El Hormiguero .

"Would you be a supporter of the pardon?" , Motos asked about the possibility of the government pardoning those convicted of the process. Iglesias did not turn even half of what he has been repeating and repeats for a long time about Catalonia: "Aznar pardoned Barrionuevo. When he did it was because there was a state interest that makes it convenient for the coupist to go outside. Indultar them can contribute to improve the situation. I think the government should raise it . "

Iglesias is convinced that Quim Torra , president of the Generalitat, "has two newscasts because he can't stand the independence" and that the solution for Catalonia is "dialogue and empathy." But Motorcycles out there does not happen. During these four weeks of interviews, Pablo Motos has made it clear at all times how difficult it is to be in Catalonia without being independentista and last night it would not be different: "But how are you going to vote without fear if you are one of the people you are afraid of leave home . People who have done nothing and have stolen peace and may be afraid to go to vote. "

"The fundamental ingredient is not the threat of moving if I give you. It is dialogue. We need to talk, " replied Pablo Iglesias. It is what has the speeches learned and that Iglesias is not one of those who carry the lesson learned by heart, but it is seen when what he is saying is a yes or yes. With Catalonia, almost everyone has been like that. "What would you say to the violent independentists?" , Motos asked. "I would tell you that Catalonia is not just you. I would tell you that Spain is not Abascal or Casado . I would tell you that in Spain there are a lot of people who are delighted that Catalonia exists."

Amancio Ortega and cancer

Everything flowed with the greatest normality in the world, even boring at times, until Pablo Motos brought the subject of Amancio Ortega and the criticism of Pablo Iglesias to the owner of Inditex. All the calm, all the peace that was during the interview collapsed in a matter of seconds. Yes, Abascal's interview was one of the toughest and most abrupt, but the moment he lived last night when Pablo Motos wanted to show Iglesias , he has not lived in any of the interviews.

I will say that at the bottom of what happened both represent the ideology or belief of each one, but I sincerely believe that in order for your ideals to prevail, it is not necessary to be cruel or vile with the other . And last night, I'm sorry to say, Pablo Motos touched cruelty to Pablo Iglesias. You can be tough, you can make things difficult, you can make the interview not a path of roses, but it is not worth everything.

Pablo Motos began to tense when he asked Iglesias for the videos in which several members of his party, including Irene Montero, point to an owner so that the rent to a family does not increase. "Do you think it's good to coerce?" asked Motorcycle. Iglesias, of course, came out appealing to what he always appeals, to the support of the weak, to the one who needs it ... And then the most ruthless motorcycle appeared: "Your parents have four floors, businesses, a place ... What do you it would seem that your parents' name came out like this, publicly? " Motorcycles began to pull the leg. "That is not true, it is not true that they have four floors , but if they impose abusive conditions, it would seem great that it be reported and made visible." Tension began to take hold of the set.

The host had saved, very well saved his final attack: Amancio Ortega and cancer. "Madrid is going to have 18 high-tech cancer equipment that Amancio Ortega has paid for. The last time you were here you were very critical of him. Do you still think it's wrong? " The question was correct and perfect. The one that Pablo Iglesias messed up at the time after the candidate of Podemos in the Community of Madrid, Isa Serra, strongly criticized Ortega's donations for the Public Health hospitals. Iglesias not only supported Serra but also went further in his criticism of the Galician businessman, criticisms that generated a great controversy among those who see that Amancio Ortega donates money for machines that fight against cancer and those who, like Iglesias, believe What you should do is pay your taxes.

Last night, Iglesias was not going to change his mind, quite the opposite, it was even harder than that time : "It is as if you are going to have dinner and you decide that you are not going to pay the bill, but that you are going to give ten euros in tip to have happy to the waiter, because Amancio Ortega does not pay taxes like the rest, he uses legal, but unfair mechanisms, last year he invoiced 1.6 billion euros in dividends and only paid 5% of taxes 80 million, when any citizen had paid some 320-340 for that amount. Spain is not a banana republic or a dictatorship that depends on a man coming from giving things . "

"Are you saying that Amancio Ortega is given benefits?" Motos continued. "Yes. Well, or you are looking for legal tricks, which although they are legal are unfair. What is clear is that you do not pay like the people who are watching us, you pay taxes like bastards. What you do is an image campaign. If you want us to have good health, pay taxes. "

Too heavy ... So heavy that Pablo Motos could not contain himself and responded with what a good part of the audience has described as "lowness": "Do you have someone in your family with cancer?" . It was not necessary. Iglesias changed the gesture, the muscles of his face tensed and not because Pablo Motos had caught him, but because he has lived in the first person.

"Yes," he said flatly. " My father had lung cancer three years ago and my father-in-law died of cancer . I don't understand that my father has to beg a rich man to donate a device, instead of public institutions. And I've lived in my family what cancer means. It seems good to me that the rich pay taxes, so it seems like a scandal that if Amancio earns 1,600 million, he only pays 5% of taxes . "

That Pablo Iglesias comes up with the theme Amancio Ortega and his donations, and that it seems that Amancio Ortega instead of donating to fight against cancer is committing a crime , without a doubt. I think Iglesias needs to be heard, seen and felt, and with Amancio Ortega, he is seen, heard and felt, and hence he goes to machete. But Motos, as a presenter, as an interviewer, cannot attack with the same weapons or get at the same level.

It is difficult not to find someone who has not experienced cancer closely and I can assure you that the question did not have the effect that Pablo Motos expected. He wanted to be as hard as what Iglesias was being with Ortega, but he went into a field too delicate, too painful, be it Iglesias or another. Iglesias's head goes with the donations of Amancio Ortega and with his attacks on the rich, he does not measure or think beyond ... They both skated, and much, but one attacked the accounts of an entrepreneur and another attacked the personal, too .

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