The conversations between the members of the Defense Committees of the Republic ( CDR ) arrested by the Civil Guard, on September 23, in the framework of the Judas operation , reveal references to the current president of Catalonia, Quim Torra, and his predecessor , Carles Puigdemont.

Specifically, the people investigated refer to Torra as Gandalf and Puigdemont call her Lisa. Moreover, the aforementioned conversations reveal how the members of the investigated group had used devices to shield their communications. This is stated in the summary of the Judas operation , to which EL MUNDO had access. Here is the transcript of one of the intervened conversations.

Ferran [Jolis]: A matter of two or three weeks ago I organized a meeting with Lisa's sister. Lisa, for you to understand me, is the code name of the one with the flamingos in Belgium, the mandamás for you to understand me [Carles Puigdemont].

Xavier [Buigas]: Yes, yes. Waterloo

Ferran [Jolis]: Right. So I am working with them to shield communications and ensure communication with Gandalf, that Gandalf is the one here, the one who already knows who he is, right? [it is inferred that they speak of Joaquim Torra].

Xavier [Buigas]: Yes, yes, yes.

Ferran [Jolis]: Then, surely not this week, the next ... With all this we did an operation with stations, with SIMs, with peanuts, so that you understand me, and with public transport, and we did, with outposts and cars from behind for surveillance, a mobile meeting inside a vehicle with her (with Lisa's sister). And I passed what had to happen, with four or five things, that if we were hooked they could not find it and now we will do the same with Gandalf.

With Gandalf we contact, through Juliá, with the son and son what he will do is manage a similar meeting. I say similar because as it has the security service that cannot leave it, we will have to make an (unintelligible) ... For what purpose? The purpose is to shield secure communication channels, with whom? between Lisa and Gandalf, obviously between them and their relatives, but also between them and me.

I say because I will have the "MEI" (phonetic), but when I say "I" I mean the team. Why? Because if we have to plan something strategically, or we have to talk directly, we can do it without suffering. So, in this operation, in fact, I mean, I don't know if you saw that I sent you a message, but since I had two phones, I sent it to you where it wasn't and that's why you didn't receive it.

Within this operation I was counting on you, in Lisa's sister's, what happens is that as I could not contact and as it was urgent we had to do it. And this they know we do outside the CDR, I made it very clear that we who are doing this are not CDR, even if you see us at some time, I will not say no, but this tactical response team is out . So, having said that, the good thing is that in the same way that you will play your ass, or we will both play our asses with someone we don't know, these people have to know that if they want the collaboration of the team, yes or yes, There has to be a face to face contact.

Xavier [Buigas]: That was the first thing I said when they contacted me, I said: "If I have to do something, with all the people I think about, 20 people will not come to meet him, but I have to know who it is, because if something happens I will have to go looking for it. "

Ferran [Jolis]: And besides, it is a meeting that I understand that they wanted to protect themselves, but think that we, in fact, are on a three out of five alert, arrests, citations, identifications are expected ... We play it much. They come to me here at home, with what I have at home, although it is not compromising information, only with the devices they put me inside for terrorism. And like me, I imagine everyone at their level.

Well I don't have artifacts or weird things, I mean computers, antennas and stuff. Then you say, if I have to play it I have to know. With you I go to war and what do you need? Two kidneys and will you give them back to me? Take it, I give it to you, do you know what I mean? There is no problem. But with you, only with the "Serrallongas", I don't know the others.

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