REPORTAGE
Jean Paul Delevoye, who carries the reform in the government, against the boss of the CGT, Philippe Martinez. This is the poster of the debate that Saturday proposed the Feast of Humanity, La Courneuve. Victor Dhollande went on the spot for Europe 1.
The debate took place in a very hot atmosphere, the day after a day of strike very followed at the RATP. A little over a thousand people came to attend the debate. Left-wing sympathizers, not really delighted by the arrival of Jean-Paul Delevoye, high commissioner for pension reform, began to launch invectives, jeers and even cries.
The vociferators were called to order by the organizer of the debate and then by the general secretary of the CGT himself, Philippe Martinez: "I believe in the pluralist debate, I believe in the confrontation of ideas". After long minutes to calm the audience, the debate finally settles, argument against argument.
The pension system "the best in the world"
Minister Jean-Paul Delevoye explains his pension reform: "Our fellow citizens consider the current system unfair, illegible, we are working to improve it and implement a universal pension system in which retirement will reflect work and which rules for calculating it will be the same for everyone. "
Philippe Martinez replied that we should not break the whole pension system that is "the best in the world". "You just have to improve it," he says. The general secretary of the CGT also told Jean-Paul Delevoye that he should have taken positions of the CGT in its reform.
After an hour and a half of discussion no agreement but an interesting debate, especially for Juliette: "I find it very brave of him, very surprising but at the same time Delevoye is very strong in his job. because it allows a confrontation of ideas that is rare today with the government since Macron is president. "
At the end of this first debate on pension reform, Philippe Martinez recalled that the fight would continue on the street as early as 24 September. Date of the first day of mobilization.