Strangely meek, according to the findings of the Illner editors, Germany has presented itself in Katowice: The former Klimavorreiter fall behind in the meantime behind its own goals. In addition, Germany received the negative award "fossil of the day" at the conference. "Klimaretter Germany - well thought, badly done?" was therefore the topic to which in addition to the politicians Peter Altmaier, Annalena Baerbock and Christian Lindner three other guests were invited: Matthias Dürbaum, works council chairman of the open pit Hambach, climate impact researcher Stefan Rahmstorf and fintech entrepreneur Philipp Schröder.

The consensus of the evening: "climate skeptics", so deniers of man-made climate change, there were none in the round. This view was only present in Einspielern with US President Donald Trump, who wished ironically in late 2017 in the face of a cold spell in the US on Twitter, maybe you could benefit a bit from this "good old global warming". Fortunately, the panelists at "Maybrit Illner" continued - trade unionist Dürbaum also did not want to talk down the subject of climate change, but only expressed his concern about the loss of jobs. Which did not mean that there was agreement on the measures to be taken.

The Conflict Line of the Evening: It was most obvious between Christian Lindner and Annalena Baerbock. While the Greens chairman demanded that politics must "set guard rails" and say, "where the journey goes," the FDP head pleaded for the self-regulatory forces of the market. While Baerbock advocated a clear roadmap for carbon leakage and CO2 taxation, Lindner pointed out that nowhere else in the world is it so expensive to save a ton of CO2 as in this country - and therefore it is about how to achieve climate goals in a global perspective could achieve. It is also no checkbook diplomacy, if Germany spends 1.7 billion euros to help poor countries in climate protection, but the magnitude is on the contrary "too low". Lindner complained of "planned economic policy", which rely on subsidies for wind power, which can not be stored and forwarded because the lines were missing.

Altmaier positioned himself in between: it was not about conducting, but about promoting initiatives. Regarding coal, he said: "Other countries are rising faster, but we are also emerging as the only major industrialized nation from nuclear energy." That's why it's about making it "organic". Altmaier: "The challenge is: how can we define an exit path that is long enough and results in us having more and not fewer jobs?"

The exchange of the evening: It was also between Baerbock and Lindner. "How do you want to comply with the Climate Treaty of Paris, please?" The Greens turned to the FDP leader. "You do not want a coal exit, you do not want traffic reversal, you do not want to do that over the CO2 price, then how?" Quite a lot was wrong with these accusations, countered Lindner, "to the limit of propaganda". He wanted a carbon price, but that should set the market. "That's the difference between us: I want to rely on the proven methods of the social market economy, and if I hear you, that sounds like DDR."

The illustrations of the evening: Asked who would brake more in Germany, politics or entrepreneurs, fell Philipp Schröder, ex-Germany boss of Tesla and ex-CEO of the storage manufacturer Sonnen GmbH, an interesting picture: The climate catastrophe was like a fire before that politicians like Peter Altmaier stand to erase it - "and lobby groups leap around saying, 'Please do not wet the rug while you're extinguishing.'"

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Christian Lindner, in turn, underlined his demand for a more rapid expansion of the German electricity grid with a comparison from the animal kingdom: "We still need 6000 kilometers of power lines, and last year 28 kilometers were built." A Weinbergschnecke covers the same distance in the year Not." And Peter Altmaier exemplified his credo that all measures had to be socially compatible, with this not quite exactly calculated comparison: "If a pensioner has to pay five euros more for her electricity every month, that is the cup of coffee and the piece of cake that she once had Week with her acquaintances in the café in the pedestrian zone. "

The clarification of the evening: "There is no point in proclaiming goals that you do not comply with," explained scientist Stefan Rahmstorf, making clear that time is running out: "If we had started reducing emissions in 2000, we would have four percent It is enough to reduce the 1.5-degree line every year, and now we have to cut 18 percent a year to reach the same climate target. " Therefore, it is also not an either-or-question, somewhere else to save the rainforest or get out of the coal here. "If we have to come up with zero emissions worldwide, and that's just how it is, then we have to do that with us."

The bouncer of the evening: After saying goodbye to a three-week break until January 10, Maybrit Illner wished the audience "hopefully peaceful, relaxed and ... warm Christmas". Um - very comforting, thank you!

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